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Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by Dæmon, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. Rob

    Rob Member

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    I just see them as different tricks - I’ve always thought that an aeroplane would involve a fully tense string. But if it’s quicker and accepted, go ahead - just doesn’t look as good IMHO. It’s all about having fun at the end of the day
     
    Dec 6, 2017
  2. azleonhart

    azleonhart Moderator Staff Member

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    String tension on a JKA airplane is no different from a regular one - with the JKA airplane, you’re merely moving the tama hand more, and shortening the time between the ken leaving your fingers and reaching the tama.
    String is still tensed upon the ken leaving the fingers.

    That’s why the JKA still considers it legit.

    I think rules are meant to be bent, and this is a fine example of such.
    I’ve had @htimSxelA recount to me when Daniel Robinson approached a KWC trick with a very weird method, but still within the legal parameters of the trick.
     
    Dec 6, 2017
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  3. KirStylez

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    While you cannot fault someone for giving their own opinion about a company, I don’t think you can defame a company for something that happened which may not have gone the way you’ve intended (within reason). It’s very important to voice your opinion so that companies can take that as a learning experience and hopefully grow from it. Companies do have a responsibility to do what they can to the best of their ability so that they can keep customers happy while creating new customers to support their business.
    From a customers standpoint keep in mind that they are investing their hard earned money on your product, so there is a responsibility to make sure that the money customers are spending backs up the companies products and services being offered. There also must be some kind of empathy as understanding as to why a customer won’t spend money from your products if they had a negative experience with the products to begin with. Should a company encounter such a problem, the challenge then is to improve themselves whether it would be product or service to incline these customers to come back and give the company they had such a bad experience with a second chance as people in nature don’t like to make the same mistake twice.
     
    Dec 8, 2017
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  4. Ekendama

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    I agree 100 percent. I think it would be cool to have a teak kendama light grippy I think it would be great
     
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  5. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    Understandable. From my perspective I’ve just seen a lot of saltiness (not hate, just people blowing things a bit out of proportion) because of things out of both theirs and the company’s control (how their product is shipped to them from the manufacturer or how shipping handles customer’s purchases) or how the company chooses to handle their business (GT’s small batch drops or limited runs from other brands).
    A good example I can think of recently was Krom’s Black Friday sale where customs held back their orders to out of country customers because of the huge amount. Eventually, they detailed why so many orders were delayed and I believe they let all of their customers know what was happening to their order and gave out their shipping info.
    Krom may/may not have been able to let their customers know sooner about the hold up at customs (something they could work on in the future) but that also honestly feels like something to be expected when purchasing items from overseas on one of the biggest sale days of the year and there ate obviously hundreds of other people going through the same.
    TLDR; Dont get mad, slay dama.
     
    Dec 8, 2017
  6. azleonhart

    azleonhart Moderator Staff Member

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    Continuing on the whole company bashing thing.
    It's ridiculous.

    If you know something is wrong with your order, the first thing you should do is send an email to the company involved (even better if it's someone you personally know there), and address them nicely.
    Being chill and nice to the company always helps in these cases.
    They've already busted their ass the past few days trying to manage orders, the last thing they need is someone up their ass.
    There's really no need to publicly put the company on blast (unless they really screwed with your money).

    While it is also the company's prerogative to tell its customers about issues and hiccups, the end user should also chill a little.
    It's not like we have no damas to play with in the meantime.
     
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  7. KirStylez

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    I don’t think anyone likes to hear from an upset customer that’s going 100 right on the hop, needless to say it doesn’t get you anywhere. However there are levels of authority you need to go through. For instance, if a regular employee cannot handle your problem, it goes to the supervisor, if the supervisor cannot resolve it, then the manager should step in. From that point it’s the manager’s discretion as to resolve the situation, may go in your favor, maybe not. Depending on what the situation is, you have the right to still share your opinion whether it would be on the news or social media; the power of freedom of speech!
     
    Dec 8, 2017
  8. Aaron Gallegos

    Aaron Gallegos Slayer

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    Those kids have no respect. The OG players have their own style that just happens to not include tons of taps and juggles. Also, those og players helped build the community and have gotten kendama to where it is today.
     
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  9. Aaron Gallegos

    Aaron Gallegos Slayer

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    People whose videos cut to a zoomed in or slo mo shot of their trick before cutting back to normal footage because they missed the spike but were too lazy to try again (I.e. Someone lands a quad tap juggle lighthouse but misses the tradespike, so they place the ken back into lighthouse position and land the spike its own, using the added slo mo/zoom footage to distract from the fact that they're tacking on an extra clip of them just spiking it). Or when they do the same as above but continue adding more tricks to their combo, trying to fool us into thinking they laced the whole thing in one try when they didn't.
     
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    Dec 9, 2017
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  10. Ricky Røge

    Ricky Røge Slayer

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    I really dislike when people dont know the difference between a saragrip spike and a downspike
     
    Dec 9, 2017
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  11. azleonhart

    azleonhart Moderator Staff Member

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    "x months. Is it good?"


    Look son, our approval matters very little.
    What matters is you having fun, and growing at a pace you're comfy with.
     
    Dec 14, 2017
  12. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    This applies to a lot. Kendamas on sale, setups people make, skill level, tricks landed.
     
    Dec 14, 2017
  13. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    Players (mostly kids of FKC from what I've seen) complaining about paint chipping.
     
    Dec 16, 2017
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  14. Gasiek

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    Hahahahaha you've just seen this willy p mod :D
     
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  15. goenKendama

    goenKendama Administrator Staff Member

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    Not sure I'm with you on this one. Paint chipping over time, heavily seshed, or abused it would be expected (excepting a few JKA models) but paint chipping within a single sesh or a couple of standard playing days, that's something else entirely. I've seen some kendama that chip, peel, or get cut within a few minutes to a few hours of play. On the other hand I've got TK16s and Shinfujis at our shop that have been played for 4-5 years that only show wear around the tama hole and not much even there.
     
    Dec 16, 2017
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  16. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    I did. The tama definitely looked seshed and super honed and like it was ready for the paint to start chipping the way it did.

    @goenKendama we all know not all paints are equal to each other. I myself have been a bit upset about my Make Waves pro mod chipping because I missed a space walk and it hit the tiled floor pretty hard while I've had the Tribute Super Stick paint survive the same missed trick on asphalt.
    Mostly for me it's just the players complaining about a kendama being played and showing its play, in this case the paint getting chipped is how the kendama is showing its play.
    I think if a dama's paint is chipping pretty bad pretty early in its life with a new owner, it's just as much the player's play style than the paint itself. Expect the paint to chip if you're going to go ham and try and hit those hard impact tricks within the first week of getting it.
     
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  17. ttocsic

    ttocsic Slayer

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    yes TJ paint chips bad. within about three days of having that dama, it had like 8 chips in the paint.
     
    Dec 16, 2017
  18. KeeganS

    KeeganS DS Legend

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    I saw a reply on the kid from FKC who posted about his Willy P v8 custom paint chipping, a dude replied with a pic of his TJ mod with nearly/if not all the paint peeled off lmao
     
    Dec 16, 2017
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  19. goenKendama

    goenKendama Administrator Staff Member

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    Perhaps my experience with JKA kendama colors my perspective since those are the ones I've had access to the longest and are the main ones we use for demo; TK16s and Shinfujis in particular hold up exceptionally well with few exceptions. As another example the Sweets aTacks I've used wear down but don't chip so I guess we'll have agree to disagree on this.

    I think that in the push for new colorways and tacky finishes some have decided longevity is an acceptable trade off to achieve their desired results. However there are an awful lot of good paints/coatings out there that won't start chipping on day one so dismissing claims of bad paint out of hand likely does a disservice to the brands trying to improve their product. When we run across a weird batch we always let the makers' know about it so they can improve. Without feedback from the broader community with its large sample size the various brands wouldn't have a basis to make adjustments for a better product. Of course, as always, YMMV.
     
    Dec 19, 2017
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  20. Bloukinen

    Bloukinen Honed Member

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    When a company releases a promo vid of a new kendama, and the entire vid is all juggling tricks when the main marketing point of the kendama is the new paint they have. If the paint is so good, then maybe show us how good it is so we want to buy it!

    Also when a 10 year old kid can land taps and juggles like it's nothing, yet can't even land around the USA or around bird
     
    Dec 21, 2017