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Discussion in 'The Sesh' started by Aaron Gallegos, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. Aaron Gallegos

    Aaron Gallegos Slayer

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    Why are forward flipping tricks called "inward" and not "outward"? I mean the ken is flipping in an outward motion, not an inward one. For tricks like inward lunar and inward stilt, the ken is on the outer half of the tama relative to the body. It's not a big deal at all but it's a small nomenclature thing that's been slightly bugging me since day one.
     
    Dec 11, 2017
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  2. KeeganS

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    When you are facing someone and, for example, they do a regular lighthouse flip the bottom cup flips up and faces you before flipping to face them, then lands on the ken. The gymnastics equivalent would be a backflip. But as it’s easier to spot it as it’s flipping to land (whether it’s a half flip to in or a full flip back) it’s just a regular flip for kendama, especially since it’s essentially the same movement for a J-stick.
    An inward flip (lighthouse or lunar or j-stick) you are bringing whatever cup it’s sitting on in towards you to flip it up, which is the equivalent of a front flip in gymnastics. That inward push to initiate the trick is why it’s called an inward flip.
     
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  3. Aaron Gallegos

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    Makes sense although I think outwards or forward makes more sense (especially for lunars and stilts). But if everyone knows them as inward, then it is what it is.
     
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  4. Jasper B.

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    Yeah, I always went with what everyone else said, but it would make more sense what you are saying
     
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  5. Andy Dama

    Andy Dama Honed Member

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    Good point, I honestly have no idea
     
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  6. Nick Lectura

    Nick Lectura Moderator Staff Member

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    I think the names are inward because that's the direction you are flipping the ken/tama, and sometimes pulling up the ken/tama (inward lunar, stilt, etc.)

    For inward house flips, you flick the tama inward, so that the ken will flip outward.
    Inward bird flip = flicking the tama towards yourself so it flips away from you.

    I get what you're saying though, the name's never made sense to me either. That's why I call inward stilt "outer stilt" now. I still refer to inward lunars the same though because "outer lunar" sounds silly.
     
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  7. Jasper B.

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    Now this makes dollars! (more than cents) ((ik it was bad)) (((really bad)))
     
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  8. Nel.slay

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    The term comes from the direction the tama is moved.... for normal flips you push the tama outwards, for inward flips you pull the tama inwards towards yourself
     
    Dec 13, 2017
  9. quacktaped

    quacktaped Honed Member

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    mindblown
     
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  10. xplodit

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    This makes my feel dyslexic. Lighthouse pull inward to flip outward is called inward, push outward to flip inward is called outward. I just remember that inward anything is generally the harder of two versions of a given trick.
     
    Dec 17, 2017
  11. Rob

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    Simple solution - call them ‘reverse’ instead
     
    Dec 17, 2017
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